Our Emotions – Our Compass with Vera Helleman | Ep. 9

My guest on this week’s episode of The True North Show is Dr Evette Rose who kept me captivated from the moment she started speaking.  Her journey from growing up with an abusive father to being gifted an incredible message from the divine is so inspiring and motivating.  I love how open she is to sharing not just the light but also the darkness she has experienced on her journey and how every moment has shaped her and moved her through this life of passion and purpose.  Our conversation is deeply insightful and filled with love.

An author of 21 books, speaker, and holistic counsellor, Dr. Evette Rose has worked with over 7,000 clients, uncovering one undeniable truth: unresolved emotions profoundly impact our health, mental well-being, and physical pain.

This groundbreaking work explores 722 ailments and the emotional roots behind them.  Dr Evette travels the world to share this incredible work and she has taught self-help events in more than 43 countries.

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Transcript:

Megan North (00:00)
Today, I am joined by the number one emotional expert, Vera Hellerman. She’s the discoverer of The Emotion Codex, and author of the bestsellers, The Encyclopedia of Emotions,

and effortlessly being yourself and founder of the Emotion Expertise Center. Vera is a well-known speaker in the Netherlands and an icon in the field of emotions. Her fundamental and energetically logical approach to feelings has already transformed many lives. According to Vera, understanding and integrating our feeling tool is the missing puzzle piece in today’s problems. She tirelessly works to restore emotions to their rightful function, our compass. So welcome to the show. I am so, so happy that you have joined me today.

Vera Helleman (01:02)
I’m so happy to be Megan. I love the introduction of your show. It speaks so to the heart.

Megan North (01:08)
⁓ beautiful. And how is it sitting there listening to me talk about you in the third person while you’re sitting there? Is it nice to have a reflection on all of the things that you’ve achieved so far?

Vera Helleman (01:22)
Well, it actually sounds a bit… ⁓ Well, it goes my one ear in and the other my ear out, actually. ⁓ Yes, it’s just worse, actually. Yes, it has kind of meaning, but… I don’t know, I can’t explain.

Megan North (01:43)
Right, okay. I love to ask that question because some people come on the show and they’d say, ⁓ wow, like I haven’t really reflected on where I’ve been and my journey. And so I always like to ask ⁓ some people, you know, how do they feel when they hear that?

Vera Helleman (01:59)
Yes, it’s actually like getting a compliment or something. critical, it’s the same thing. It is always shown to the person. And I think I’m more related to the soul or something. It’s my person that acts and has to express the things the soul wants to express. But I’m more related to the soul than to the person.

Megan North (02:03)
Mmm.

I love that. That’s really, that’s a really nice and different perspective. I love that. Thank you for sharing that. Let’s start with something that I’m really curious about and I’m sure that the audience will be as well. So can you tell us what the emotion codex is?

Vera Helleman (02:43)
Yes, the Emotion Codex, and we talked earlier, I can show it, but the guests who listening cannot see it. It’s a model and it seems like a Merkaba, but on each side, on each corner, there’s an emotional force, so there are eight emotional forces. So this is actually ancient wisdom that speaks about energy, and we can learn about energy through the entrance of emotions.

So emotions are energy-emotions, ⁓ emotional forces that guide us through life. And the Emotion Codex is actually the map to understand how they do that.

Megan North (03:25)
Wow, okay. All right.

Vera Helleman (03:28)
Bye.

Megan North (03:31)
And is this new work that you’re doing?

Vera Helleman (03:34)
Yes, it is very new. So I think I’m born to do this. I have an actually an autistic mind. and I and I have ⁓ Glarifion skills so I can tap into ⁓ information fields and download them and put them in structured ways. The very subtle.

Megan North (03:58)
Mm-hmm.

Vera Helleman (04:01)
language of energy is put in a very practical model.

Megan North (04:06)
Yes, and when you and I first started talking, ⁓ my memories of that conversation is that when you got the download of all of this work that you were doing, it came to you in English.

Vera Helleman (04:20)
It came in English. Well, it came actually in the first days. was like codes were ⁓ infused into me. And I had to reach out to understand it. And those conversations went in English. The decoding of all this information. And then I had to unpack it and understand.

Megan North (04:39)
So

Vera Helleman (04:49)
It also was a process. What happened? Which code did I receive? How did it work? What do need to explain? Explain me! ⁓

Megan North (05:02)
And okay, right. And so was that when you were, I suppose, deciphering the code and then it was coming to you in English, was that a surprise for you?

Vera Helleman (05:15)
Well actually no, because when I was a child I always had conversations and they were always in English. So I didn’t know the language by then, but when I heard words I knew what they meant. And so this English language was always with me. Yes and I always loved speaking it, I didn’t know why, I actually for years didn’t know how.

So when the Emotion Codec is going to me, knew I had to give it in English. I built this website in English and all the trainings in English. So this is a really big adventure. I think that my work in the Netherlands was the playground for doing this. So I have another experience with helping people, fresh and young and unknown.

Megan North (05:51)
Yes. Yes. would also like all the work that you’ve done in the Netherlands so far as well is that as you said, it was might’ve been a foundation for you to get all your confidence and get your strategies in place of how do you present? How do you facilitate and how do you teach? Because if maybe if you had gotten this originally before you had all that experience in English, you might’ve then been really nervous and not had the confidence to be able to.

to share it in English straight away.

Vera Helleman (06:46)
It is, it is. And I also made of course a lot of human mistakes. I made lot of mistakes and I’ve course learned from it. Everything is needed, the way it works, the way it goes.

Megan North (06:50)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Everything is divine timing, that’s for sure. And so if we’re talking about ⁓ defining moments of your true passion and purpose, do you think that this is a second defining moment for you? Like is this a new passion and purpose for you or is it just passion and purpose version two?

Vera Helleman (07:12)
Yes.

Well, actually, when I looked at this industry question, because when I look at my blueprint, my sole blueprint, this is actually what I always did from a very young age on. But the expression form changed during time. So when I was like four or five years old, I always

Megan North (07:51)
Right.

Vera Helleman (07:59)
pointed my parents about their emotional pain and they always were angry, angry about it, they didn’t like it. actually I did it from a very young age, during doing the dishes with my friends at school, everywhere. Some liked it, some didn’t. But I always did it, I couldn’t stop it. I always did it. And also, figuring out structures, figuring out why people do what they do. This has been an obsession for as long as I can remember.

Megan North (08:36)
And so how does it come to you? How does that, it, you clear-audient or are you clear-sentient? Do you feel it or is it a combination of lots of things? How does it come to you?

Vera Helleman (08:50)
Yes, it’s a combination of all kinds of things and also I progressed in that. So when I hear people talking, I listen to what they say and I also feel their energy and while their attention, energy follows your attention, so I can also walk along with the way their energy goes.

their attention goes. So what and I compare it with their energetic or blueprint. So I feel everything I hear it and sometimes I see things and combined that I observe what’s incongruent or congruent. What’s not aligned. And that’s what I put my needle in.

Megan North (09:43)
Right. And when you say put your needle in, that means that then you’re really ⁓ touching on a point of where they need what, healing or they need to do some work on that emotion. Is that what you mean?

Vera Helleman (09:57)
Yes, most of time it’s misinterpretation about who they are or what’s going on. So that’s giving emotions as a feedback. And that gives all three things in their emotional fields and their energy fields. So this causes this balance. So most of the time it’s something that misinterpretation.

Megan North (10:03)
Hmm.

Hmm

Vera Helleman (10:23)
And from this misinterpretation they do things or let’s do things to them. So when I put my needle in it or my magic wand, then this opens and then they’re connected again.

Megan North (10:45)
And I had a conversation with someone the other day and we were talking about the feelings and the emotions and the trauma that we hold onto from things that have happened in our childhood or adulthood. But we were talking also about the stories that we connect to that emotion as well. So I would imagine that when you can then put your pinpoint into that emotion, does that also then… uncover any stories that are connected to that as well to help the person to help the person rewrite the story or even heal the story.

Vera Helleman (11:22)
Well, actually, from my point of view it’s the other way around. So, emotion gives feedback on the story, so the story was first.

Megan North (11:31)
⁓

Vera Helleman (11:32)
⁓ I don’t pinpoint on the emotion. I use the emotion as a lead, as a guide to where something isn’t aligned.

Megan North (11:47)
Right.

Okay, that’s really, and when you talked about our emotional blueprint, so is that what we’re born with? Is that what we come into this world with? And what do you mean by our emotional blueprint?

Vera Helleman (12:06)
Yeah, actually I made a mistake. I meant the energetic blueprint.

Megan North (12:11)
blueprint right yep

Vera Helleman (12:13)
and you can see that as the soul.

Megan North (12:16)
⁓ okay, right, yep.

Vera Helleman (12:18)
If I speak of the I or the you, there are different kinds of layers of ourselves. So we have the you self, we have the soul self and the consciousness. And they all want to align and also the human tools want to align our mind, our body, our consciousness, our emotions also want to align. And we are in perfect balance and on our path.

Megan North (12:42)
Right, okay. Wow, that’s really interesting. Really, really fascinating. Okay, all right. I feel like I’ve got a better understanding of what all of that work is now. So thank you for explaining that. I mean, look, it’s very complex, isn’t it, really, when we’re talking about our emotions and our energy and all of those sort of things. But I feel like that explained it well.

Vera Helleman (13:10)
For me, actually, it’s very simple because ⁓ what I see with most people, they are focused on either the body, the physical world, or the mind, the stories. ⁓ And the soul, they say that there is my soul wants something, but a lot of people aren’t even aware of that. But the emotions, they connect the soul with the human mind and the human body.

Megan North (13:40)
Hmm.

Vera Helleman (13:41)
So the emotions are actually the mediators, the translators between the two parts of ourselves who want to become aligned. Emotions aren’t things that we want to get rid of, we want to use them as guides to align the layers of ourselves. Then we will get synchronicity and attract all things that really fits, yeah.

Megan North (13:52)
Rot.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, okay.

Vera Helleman (14:11)
our soul.

Megan North (14:13)
So it’s almost like another layer of, it’s like an understanding of what that emotion is and why it’s there in the first place. ⁓

Vera Helleman (14:22)
Yes, it’s the understanding of the map. We were born to walk our what we call in the Netherlands the A1. That’s kind of a Route 66, but that’s the road that goes through the Netherlands, A1. I love that.

Megan North (14:45)
And if we’re about from a, I mean, we’re talking about emotions ⁓ holistically, but do you work with people in relation to if they’re struggling with their mental health?

Vera Helleman (14:57)
Yes, also, yes.

Megan North (15:01)
And what sort of things do you work with them on?

Vera Helleman (15:06)
Well, if we speak about mental health, it’s all about happiness and emotional struggle and how the mind is involved in the emotional struggle. So actually that is 100 % my train. So although I see a few people who really into, for example, well,

getting medication for their mental health, it’s sometimes difficult to get them really aligned. It’s difficult to really feel the emotions because when you want to go on the path of using your emotions as a guide, it needs practice to listen to them more and more in a subtle way. The earlier you notice them, the lesser you go out of balance.

Megan North (15:41)
Hmm, big.

Done.

Yes.

Vera Helleman (16:05)
is sometimes difficult if you cannot feel them correctly.

Megan North (16:09)
Yeah, I can understand that. And it’s funny that you say that because yesterday I had a really bad headache. I know why I had a headache and I was dealing with it. I was doing a healing on myself, ⁓ but the headache just wasn’t shifting. And I was in a bit of a quandary about it because I had a client booked in to do an angel card reading with them. But I really knew that I had to take some Panadol, like some paracetamol for my headache.

But I was a little bit concerned in the sense of I don’t want to take some paracetamol because I was worried that that would block all the messaging that I got. So all I did was and look, I’m only talking about paracetamol, right? But I just did I just blessed it and just asked it that it only had the effect of my headache and it didn’t affect anything else. And it was fine. But I just had to consciously give it that blessing.

because I just was worried that, you know, if I take some paracetamol, is it going to block any messaging that I’m getting? Hmm.

Vera Helleman (17:12)
Yes,

of course. And of course this parasitic metal is different than antisharcotics.

Megan North (17:20)
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And so what about you? So the work that you do when you’re dealing with people’s emotions and they’re on their own journey, how do you maintain your own balance of mental health? Like what do you do for yourself to make sure that you’re in a really good place to be to make a place for everybody else and your family?

Vera Helleman (17:43)
Yes, that’s very important for everyone, of course, take care of yourself. And actually my emotions are the one who guides me to take care of myself. ⁓ I follow a kind of rhythm during the day. And it’s not a vast rhythm, it’s not a scheduled rhythm, but it’s like the breath of life. It goes out and goes in, it goes out and goes in. So during, and for me it’s that

like one and a half hours, I can take in. But in the other one and a half hours, I have to express or move my body or… So I follow the rhythm and for example, when I sit too long behind the computer, it’s taking in, taking in, taking in, I’m going to implode and it feels restless. So my emotions immediately alarm that something’s going on.

That you feel, and that’s with everyone of course. I feel getting tired, getting, wow, my emotion is telling me something, of course, you need to go out. And then I go out. And when you got too much information from people or whatever, you feel like this overwhelming energy. And then if you feel that, okay, I need to be alone for a while.

Megan North (18:45)
So.

Vera Helleman (19:12)
So I listen to my feelings and emotions very carefully and when you do they profoundly tell you what to do to restore and keep your balance. I follow my inner guidance.

Megan North (19:23)
Yeah, yeah. Yes, yeah. And I would imagine sometimes as well, you said that if you do an hour and a half in, then you need to too often give that hour and a half like to breathe out again. But if you’re having a really busy day, do you find that even if you just go for a walk for 10 minutes, that can actually then just restore you as well? Because I would imagine that you wouldn’t have an hour and a half

all the time available to you. So do you have ways that you adjust what works for you with the amount of time that you have?

Vera Helleman (20:07)
Yes, the emotions it is, they are energy emotions, so it’s all about keeping your energy in balance. So for example, and what I said earlier, the sooner you listen to the emotions, the less they need. So for example, when I get overwhelmed, that is emotion group disgust. So when I feel an emotion from this emotion group, it can also be a milder version of disgust. know, okay, I have to make a break.

Sometimes going to the toilet and consciously go in and let it flow out of my body can be enough to go on.

Megan North (20:45)
Yeah,

yeah.

Vera Helleman (20:48)
Actually, when I am very, very honest, and I’m hermit, is that that’s the way we work from nine to five very busy isn’t healthy for every for anyone. Well, I changed my life. So I work 24 hours, seven days a week, but I always but I also have holiday 24 hours, seven days a week. So it’s a different way of living once you

are getting true to yourself. So I never schedule my whole day. Never. It’s unhealthy.

Megan North (21:20)
you

Yeah okay. ⁓ okay so why can you explain that a little bit more why you don’t schedule it?

Vera Helleman (21:38)
Because I know, because I’m a very sensitive woman. And the more you listen to your feelings, the more you realize we are all sensitive beings. All of us are very numb because our head overshouts. What we think we need to do overshouts. So we numb ourselves. So the more you integrate your feelings as a guiding system, you know.

Megan North (21:48)
Hmm.

Vera Helleman (22:04)
Okay, there is a rhythm, there’s a rhythm of life and I need to listen to that and when I don’t do that, yes, it harms me. I’ve learned that during my life. Working from nine to five or surrounded by others is not healthy for me, so I won’t do that. I will rearrange my life the way it works for me.

Megan North (22:13)
Mm-hmm.

Hmm, okay, now I understand. Yeah, okay. So it’s what I think that you’re saying is it’s not like you’re saying, okay, for the next three months, I’m going to work really hard because I’ve got a holiday planned. And so when I’m on my holiday, then I can relax. It’s more how can I work in the rhythm of what my emotions need and what I need every day? So that really, when you are on holidays, it’s not because you need it.

you’re on holidays because you’re going on an adventure or you’re doing something. Is that right?

Vera Helleman (23:00)
That is right. Actually, I worked very hard to upload the English website and I said, I really need a holiday. But well, the children didn’t want to go. And so I said, I need it now. Let’s go to the beach. So we went to the beach and we walked 28 kilometers. And the next day, everything was well cleared. I say, OK, I don’t need a holiday anymore. ⁓

Megan North (23:31)
Yeah, so it’s really, really tuning in and being very on point to what your body is telling you. And I would imagine that this work, particularly for yourself and then what you’re sharing with others and teaching others, once you get into that beautiful rhythm of your body, it wouldn’t be that difficult to understand what your body is trying to tell you.

Vera Helleman (23:53)
Yes, actually it’s the rhythm of your emotions. The body is actually an expression of your energetic body. The body your energetic body and the physical body adjusts to that. Yes, well yes, the more you listen, the more you… Actually sometimes I’m a little bit naughty. I don’t listen to that because there’s something that I…

Megan North (23:58)
Yes.

Vera Helleman (24:23)
give priority on. And sometimes I know it will harm me, but I want it.

Megan North (24:30)
choice.

You’re making that conscious choice. Yeah, okay. Okay. I understand that. that’s really interesting. And it’s so funny because when you’re saying it’s not your body, it’s your emotions. And it’s really like my brain is thinking, it’s really challenging me not in a bad way, but I’m being really challenged by what we’re talking about, which is fantastic. Because I love it. Yeah. ⁓

Vera Helleman (24:34)
Exactly. Understand a lot of people, most people experience their emotions physically. But actually they are energetically and they reveal themselves after the energetic arise in the body. ⁓ When you are starting this path of integrating your emotions, the first thing you need to do is becoming aware of the body. But if you become more

Megan North (25:04)
Hmm.

Yeah.

Vera Helleman (25:27)
acquainted with this you will see hey before they enter my body they already were there in the energetic body

Megan North (25:36)
So that would be an example for me yesterday with my headache.

Vera Helleman (25:41)
Yes?

Megan North (25:42)
Hmm.

Vera Helleman (25:43)
When something happens in the body, ⁓ the emotions already have shouted, I imagine, and we didn’t listen, so then it enters the body.

Megan North (25:54)
And right, yep, okay, now, yes, yes, yeah, okay, yeah. ⁓

Vera Helleman (25:59)
That’s before the headache. Did you remember?

Megan North (26:01)
Yeah.

I do like I knew it was something that was ticking over in my mind not that I was worried about it was something to do with ⁓ something that I was trying to get done yesterday and I think I was I was feeling quite stressed about it. I don’t know why because it was something that I always do but I was just feeling a little bit stressed about it ⁓ and then the thing is is that it’s interesting because when I do get a headache or a migraine

often I’ll need to go and have a rest for about an hour. I’ll take some paracetamol. I’ll have a rest and an hour later I’m fine. So I think it was then it was definitely showing up because I was a little bit stressed about what I needed to do. ⁓ And instead of resting first and not being stressed, it sort of showed up. So yeah, my body then says, okay, well, emotionally you haven’t listened to me. So I’m gonna take it into the body and we’re gonna make you rest. Who’s gonna make you feel unwell and you’re gonna be forced to have a rest.

Vera Helleman (27:06)
Yes, exactly. And sometimes it’s difficult to interpret the restlessness. So sometimes it’s not because what we need to do, but that we did too much already. That our system needs to rest.

Megan North (27:19)
Yeah.

Yes, yeah, that’s exactly what it was. Yeah, yeah, because it was something that was ticking over in my mind on Monday and then yesterday it kind of showed up as a header. Yeah. OK, wow. OK, thank you. Well, I hope that that that even that example is will help our audience as well, because, you know, me, I’m kind of logically trying to think this through, but it was a good example to use. So, yeah, yeah, good, good.

Vera Helleman (27:46)
If you just listen to the emotions, it will tell us.

Megan North (27:49)
Yes, yes. Okay, so we might take a

when you’ve been on your path on following your passions and your purpose, have you found that you’ve had significant challenges to face when you’ve been really steadfastly going along that path?

Vera Helleman (28:08)
Yes, again like everyone, because I was just talking about it with my husband yesterday, because I challenged something last week, last week’s. And actually it has been this way that when we look around us, everything of our inner world is projected into our outer world. So we challenge.

We face the challenges that needs to be faced on the inside. We challenge them on the outside. So for example, in the Netherlands when I became a well-known figure, also, for example, got a lot of criticism from the outside world. And I analyzed this criticism because I needed to understand what they projected on me. So…

For example, I got a lot of criticism when I shared stories about my personal life. And then I stood, ⁓ wow, they don’t want me in my personal life. They want to put me on a pedestal and put everything that they need to see.

Megan North (29:23)
you

Vera Helleman (29:25)
So every time something hurts me or my emotions are telling me, look, look what’s going on. It needs your attention. So I faced a lot of challenges and also a of challenges I need to go through to really understand the emotions. Like last week, I was attacked by a ⁓ 40 pound goat with horns.

⁓ my gosh! So I faced fear and then I did all these experiments on myself because normally I would challenge fear with strength. When I did that to the goat, the goat was starting fighting. So I couldn’t solve it with strength. So…

I was investigating, experimenting with my own fear and how the goat reacted, all my changes, how we could also challenge and solve the fear. So the answer lay, not in emotion group anger, but in emotion group shame, which was all about presence and really embody, physically embody my space. And so that was so interesting because now the goat really

stays on a distance of three meters around me. I challenge a lot of challenges during my path, and everything I challenge is needed. I do is stop the time and watch, feel, understand, watch, experiment, try, try a little.

Megan North (30:56)
Wow.

Yes.

I just, really think it’s so interesting that the first example that you gave was about people not wanting to hear your story. And it’s just, that’s just, it’s so, it’s been, when you said that, I was kind of going, my gosh, because there’s so many times where people say, share your story because then people will resonate more with you.

But then it’s really interesting because then that opposite side of some people who were listening to you, they don’t want to hear that you’ve struggled. or your person, they just want to hear what you have to share so that they can take your knowledge and move forward with it.

Vera Helleman (31:56)
Yes, well actually it’s each time I need to very carefully feel if this wants to be said.

Megan North (32:03)
⁓ okay.

Vera Helleman (32:05)
Sometimes it’s also about being very ⁓ pure and genuine because where it comes from is different. And of course complex things like ⁓ politics and religion and ⁓ food. I don’t talk about those things. It’s not needed for what I have to bring. I needed to learn that.

Megan North (32:32)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that’s really interesting. That’s really, really fascinating. I just love your approach that, you know, you’re really practicing what you’re preaching, the work that you do with your clients and what you share, you’re actually embodying yourself and your every day I’m assuming that you’re tuning in and what does that mean and why has that shown up for me?

Vera Helleman (32:58)
⁓ My inner eyes always open for my emotions and feelings. I’m always aware.

Megan North (33:00)
Mmm Yeah, yeah. And so what part does we all talk about? how do we stay grounded and focused? So do you have rituals or practices that you do to keep yourself grounded?

Vera Helleman (33:26)
Well, actually, I don’t because that is also a built in mechanism. It became a building mechanism. But when I was young, I was very not grounded and I learned how to deal with it. my mother was an adolescent. My mother sent me to these energetic healers and they said to me, you have to put a glass around you or put your

roots into the ground and it never worked. So I experimented on myself. I’m a living experimental travel error guide. So sometimes, I don’t know why, I got the idea, well, let’s do this the other way around. So I went to this second hand store. It was actually a ⁓ very large building.

and they would sell these Persian carpets and this emile, you know, pots and smoking a lot and… So there was a very ⁓ low frequency energy inside of this building. I thought, okay, instead of putting my roots in the ground, instead of protecting me with glass, what if I opened to it?

Megan North (34:31)
Yes. Mm. ⁓

Vera Helleman (34:49)
And that’s what I did. I walked through this building and I opened myself to all these people and I connected with them. Everyone I saw and I walked very slowly, very consciously through every stand. And when I was out of this building, I felt so refreshed. I felt and so grounded. I felt, wow, what worked. So

Now I know what worked. What we do, because we are scared somehow, or we are too open to the outer world, so we open or we flee, but what I did is I opened my heart, and opening your heart is actually nothing that you can do, but will automatically when you are willing to connect.

So I didn’t connect like this, but I connected like this. I let the outer world come into me. And what immediately happens when you open your heart, then you are rooted and you are connected to the field of knowledge and information. So when you open your heart, actually it opens the way to the middle of the earth and the Akasha field.

Megan North (36:13)
Hmm.

Vera Helleman (36:15)
So I’m very open but also very centred.

Megan North (36:18)
Hmm. And I, that really resonates with me because when you are heart connected, there’s no, there’s nothing else. There’s, there’s, there’s nothing else to, I don’t know, to interfere with that. It’s, it’s, you’ve got no other choice but to be grounded. Yes. Because you’re, you’re, you’re

I don’t know, for some reason I really get that and I’m just really struggling to verbalize it, but I understand. I’m trying to verbalize it for our audience, but yeah, so when you connect with people heart to heart, it is a very grounded feeling because there’s nothing more beautiful and pure about being connected from the heart to someone else’s heart.

Vera Helleman (37:09)
Yes, and actually it balances the other side. So this is, I’m going show you another thing. This is a duro, an emotion group duro. This is emotion group love and on the other side we have emotion group shame. And in this world a lot of people suffer with emotion group shame. It is the emotion group that identifies and says, I’m not good enough, I’m not worthy, you’re better than me. What do they think of me?

This is actually an emotion group that is connected to everyone. So it’s more like this actually. So this makes you small and define everything and this makes you divine. So because a lot of people struggle with emotion group shame in their self-world, they are out of balance. So actually love and oneness and opening your heart to connection stalls. Well, maybe 80 % of the disbalance of people, not 100%, 80%. So it really helps to be grounded.

Megan North (38:13)
Yeah, yeah. When you were referring to those, you were saying the emotion group. Is that what you said? is that, do you then mean that there’s the emotion group shame? Are you then saying that there’s more emotions collected in that one word shame, in that emotion? Right.

Vera Helleman (38:33)
In clinical psychology they call it basic emotions but in the Emotion Codex we call it emotion grouped and that’s not the same. A basic emotion is just one emotion but an emotion grouped contains positive as well as negative emotions.

Megan North (38:47)
okay.

Vera Helleman (38:49)
So an emotion group also correlates with a life theme. They have all pitfalls, have traits, have wounds, have also ways to heal, have strengths. So an emotion group, for example, an emotion group love, that is gratefulness, love, but it also contains loneliness and grief and missing someone. And shame also contains proud and fear feeding recognized and seen.

Megan North (39:22)
I love that, I really love that because it’s then not, ⁓ it’s not then defining that one emotion as it’s either good or bad because it can be everything.

Vera Helleman (39:39)
It’s a scale. So we can climb a ladder and feel ourselves more aligned and we can fall down the ladder and lose ourselves. Or contract and fight with ourselves. And then we’re waiting for motion group to fall down too.

Megan North (39:56)
Wow, my gosh, I knew I would learn so much from you today. Like my mind is like.

So ⁓ if you were talking to someone, if someone came to you and they said, can you please mentor me because I want to start following my passion and my purpose, what advice would you give them?

Vera Helleman (40:23)
If they ask me, would you mentor them? Well, I don’t mentor one-on-one, but ⁓ do you mean that or what I would say when they, how do they follow their… I understand your question. ⁓ I would say let’s start by with accepting yourself. Because the thing is, most of the time there are two phases in one’s life.

Megan North (40:37)
Yes.

Vera Helleman (40:53)
Well, first we come to this earth and we forget where we came from. We build all these misunderstandings about ourselves, losing ourselves. So the first years of our life is about finding ourselves, aligning with our inner being, understanding who we are, recognizing and remembering who we really are. This is the first phase. And when you found yourself,

Megan North (41:18)
Hmm.

Vera Helleman (41:23)
This is the phase after that, that you can be of service to the field of unity. ⁓ honest. So we all have a purpose in life, and we do this unconsciously, but it is intervened, ⁓ interfered by our traumas and our misunderstandings. So the moment that you really find yourself, you become the fountain.

Megan North (41:28)
Hmm.

Vera Helleman (41:52)
that lifts from the inner side out and you are the living expression of what you need to be.

Megan North (41:59)
Hmm. So…

Vera Helleman (42:02)
Let’s first ⁓ go through all your misunderstandings, find who you really are and then teach you how to be yourself.

Megan North (42:12)
And do you think that a lot of that and the wisdom that we get comes from age? Like, do you think that the older we get, the less? I don’t know. think I feel like the older I get, the less, I don’t want to say the less things stress me, but I just feel like I don’t worry or sweat the small stuff or worry about.

insignificant things anymore because I really just can’t be bothered. Like when you’re younger, you know, you stress about everything, particularly the generation that’s growing up at the moment with social media and my gosh, there’s so much pressure with children growing up now with social media. I’m glad that that’s not how I grew up. But I feel like that the older I get, the less I worry or put put stress and emotion into situations. And so do you think that group

aging does help from an emotional point of view.

Vera Helleman (43:10)
I find that actually a tricky question because I see rhythm also here. I also see the skill and individual ⁓ challenges which are some people more than the other people. I see people becoming themselves in a very early age and I see people who die never becoming themselves. I think there’s a rhythm and actually I’m going to write a book about about developmental psychology based on the Emotion Codex. So I see really a rhythm from conception to death. But I also see, well, what we challenge right now is that we as a human species don’t remember who we are. It seems like consciousness is deciding that we are becoming aware of ourselves.

Megan North (43:59)
Hmm.

Vera Helleman (44:10)
But I’m not sure if that is something only in my world and also in everyone’s world because I see only my world. But because we are one, well, actually, let’s say it’s a very interesting time to watch. It’s a very interesting species to watch. Humankind is a very interesting species to watch.

Megan North (44:15)
Hmm. And I do think that more people are becoming more open to being conscious and doing work on themselves and being more, ⁓ you know, really wanting to do that work and heal ⁓ more than now, more now than what I’ve ever seen, actually. I think a lot more people are open to, you know, here in Australia, we call it the woo woo, you know, the spiritual, the spiritual piece, but.

I do find that I can have a lot more open conversations with people that I didn’t think I ever would because I think more people are open to it.

Vera Helleman (45:13)
Yes, I tend to believe that too, but actually honestly I don’t know if that’s true. I spoke about it and when I was young they find me very weird, but I was in a different age. I was the youngest in classes like chakra reading. But I also don’t know because it’s my world.

Megan North (45:18)
Mm. Yes, yeah, good point. Yeah, because and maybe that’s also that the more work we do on ourselves, the more like minded people we bring into our energy and to our space. So, yeah.

Vera Helleman (45:45)
Exactly, and that same counts for you too. know, it’s Einstein said, he said, looking down through the window, he saw the moon and he said, I don’t know if I turn around if it’s still there.

Megan North (45:59)
Yeah. ⁓ wow.

Vera Helleman (46:01)
⁓ Wow. ⁓

Megan North (46:05)
That’s interesting, yeah. Now I’m actually really shocked to say this actually now, but we actually only have a couple of minutes left. ⁓ gosh, the time, I feel like we’ve been in a vortex. So because we’ve only got a couple of minutes, I’m gonna ask you the same question that I love to ask all of my guests before we finish this amazing conversation.

So what is one lesson or truth that you’ve learned on your journey that you wish you had known earlier?

Vera Helleman (46:38)
Well, actually, you emailed me this question and I found this a very difficult question because I had to acknowledge there was nothing that I wanted to learn earlier. yes, and I was thinking about all this time that I struggled, I suffered, I was, yeah, angry at myself of doing things, but actually all those things teached me

She taught me differently. I told you about the goat. Yes, I could say I wish I knew that goats were very naughty and eat all your garden. But actually, I’m very happy that I didn’t know because they helped my youngest ⁓ daughter through a very difficult period at school.

She always was very scared at school and she went home and she always ran to the goats and the goats were laying on their lap and she was, yeah, they helped them grow. And she said at school, sometimes you only need the hoof. All these examples, I went through my mind and I thought, no, there’s nothing that I wanted to know earlier. I could say I wanted to know how I bite.

Megan North (47:52)
Wow.

Vera Helleman (48:02)
what emotions were, but I didn’t want to know that because I needed to experiment, I needed to learn in order to be able to teach how to suffer as a human being from emotions. can honestly say there’s nothing that I wanted to

Megan North (48:12)
Yeah, I’m really grateful. I just really, I feel blessed that we’ve had this conversation, Vera. Like I’ve really, I’ve learned so much from you, but I really love that. I think that’s such a raw and authentic response because I absolutely believe that you believe that too, because otherwise you wouldn’t probably be doing the work that you do. If you knew all of this when you were 10,

then you probably wouldn’t be teaching it. Exactly. Yeah.

Vera Helleman (48:54)
You want to be married with me? be my quest.

Megan North (48:59)
Yeah,

I love that. Thank you. ⁓ Thank you so much. I’ve just I’ve really enjoyed our conversation and I have no doubt that people that have been watching this have probably been writing a lot of things down. I have put your QR code up a couple of times. So that’s a way that people can connect with you too. So thank you just so much for all the work that you do and for being you because I just feel really blessed that I’ve met you.

Vera Helleman (49:26)
Thank you for having me. I also feel disconnected.

Megan North (49:29)
⁓ Beautiful. Thank you. And I’d also like to thank all of our amazing and dedicated audience, our sponsors, our supporters, and I hope that you all have an amazing rest of the week and I look forward to seeing you all next week. Thank you again, Vera.